Undead Help Needed

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Undead Help Needed

Postby InsomniJack » Sat May 19, 2012 10:53 pm

hi
ive build myself with guidance from all the helpfull ppl in this forum an undead file
problem is i still cant win a single game (well maybe 1 or 2 if there is a full moon and the planet all align)
at the beginning it allways looks good but near the end it allways crashes down on me

my file so far:
SS in this order:
Lycanthrope [Scylla]
Elder Druid
Knight of the 2nd Shrine
Time Reader / Lavende
Killing Machine / LeBeau

Cards:
Shade x1
Revenant x3
Hell Smoke x3
Death Dragonknight / Langbart x3
Zombie Lord / Zugateroza x2
Lich x3
Priestess of Madness x3
Broken Priest x3

Grimoire:
Order to Sortie x1
Consuming Grudge x1
Soul Pact x2


i start with Shade > Hellsmoke > Priestess of Madness but after that i go with what seems to be apropriate but i get beaten every time and i dont know what im doing wrong (exept for loosing)

pls any suggestions would be great thx
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby Zuhrimann » Sun May 20, 2012 12:10 am

Oh hey, that's awfully similar to my deck.

Add some cemetery retrieval grim and SS like Violet, Oversoul, and Soul Return. The main objective of this deck is get Langbart killed as much as possible then aggresively retrieve him from the cemetery.

My opening is: Shade(always have 2)-Hellsmoke-Priestess of madness- shade fires the PoM SS- Langbart.

Then use Broken Priest (2 should be enough) to buff them, and lich to keep the undead intact.

Get Dark Confederation to protect against Max HP hate and a soul bind since this deck tend to get screwed by Card with no attack skill (manta, feline kin)

I'm using Undead King Zug to replace Zombie Zug, since my deck tends to be sp intensive with all that revival.
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby GonFreeces31 » Sun May 20, 2012 12:26 am

There are 3 big problems with your deck that I see

1) Not enough shades. Shades allow for flexible opens such as 1-3-1-3 or 1-3-2-1-3 or 1-1-3-3 or however you want to play it. Also, if you connect on your shades (time them properly) then you can have like a 1-3 SP advantage by turn 6, and that's huge!

2) First soul. You're running a rush file with no form of SP gen/degen in the first slot. Basically what this means is, verse an opponent with the typical 40/+1SP soul you will be far behind. I would strongly urge you to put elder druid first and scylla second.

3) Mixing 4's and 3's in a rush file. This can work, but it's tough. Usually what happens is, you'll play one or two of your level 3 units, and then never have enough SP to get your level 4 out on the field with your level 3's. You can work around this by doing what the previous poster said, and using something like a PoM SS first that will give you such a huge SP boost early it will ease the transition.
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby Ethikx » Sun May 20, 2012 1:01 am

I'm no undead expert, but I would take out zug since he's level 4 and you don't really build a huge sp advantage. I personally like to use Bopors as my first SS to ramp up my hell smoke. And as GOn said, more shades. I also throw in an exchange of souls for more sp control and miracle fruit for those pesky falkow players.
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby GonFreeces31 » Sun May 20, 2012 2:02 am

One problem some people have with lawtia is, they try to play it too much like Refess. What I mean by that is, they play their units and rely on unit synergy and buffs to over power the enemy and win the match. With lawtia, and especially with undead, you basically have 0 start skills buffs, so, in my opinion, you need to rely on well timed shades and tricks like consuming drudge into an assassin soul or deaths embrance before a fieldwipe to sneak out wins.
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby sunbunman » Sun May 20, 2012 2:28 am

GonFreeces31 wrote:1) Not enough shades. Shades allow for flexible opens such as 1-3-1-3 or 1-3-2-1-3 or 1-1-3-3 or however you want to play it. Also, if you connect on your shades (time them properly) then you can have like a 1-3 SP advantage by turn 6, and that's huge!


^ This, and if you're one of those players who really h8 on falkow, add a salamander as well.

GonFreeces31 wrote:2) First soul. You're running a rush file with no form of SP gen/degen in the first slot. Basically what this means is, verse an opponent with the typical 40/+1SP soul you will be far behind. I would strongly urge you to put elder druid first and scylla second.


Sp gen SS first slot is the foundation of field based rushes, some rushes also work with sp drain first SS, but those are really specialised files that are centered around sp control or denial.
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby Zuhrimann » Sun May 20, 2012 2:43 am

here's an example, me against fierte pixies:
https://alteil-login.gamepotusa.com/aud ... 69e3f11f84
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby angelspawns » Sun May 20, 2012 10:59 am

I tried to make a deck with most of your cards, and added some things here and there. Most are 1~2* rarity, so may actually be something you could aim for.

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Sofar i played 2 games vs. deckconstruction (easiest matchup for Undeads) and Buncles.
Vs Buncles: https://alteil-login.gamepotusa.com/aud ... 1cc347cc93

... i never went past the 2nd SS. A Slightly more agressive aproach between buffs + damage is prefered though in Undeads. That 3rd SS is a perfect combination of both, but if you don't have it i'd personally stick a good damage SS in there.
For cem retrieval Lavende is actually alot of fun as unit together with Oversouls. Together with PoM and Lich it's close to overkill, but w/e. If you carry a theme it's nice to maximize it. ;D
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby idol » Sun May 20, 2012 12:04 pm

I think I spec 1 of ur game AngelSpawn, thats a nice SS line up for undead.
Langbert works wonder if you mange to keep him on field, but mixing 1 lv4 units with other lv3s is still a questionable choice.
The best would still be replacing Langbert with Ex: Cak (not likely to have it but still).
I used to think the power of Undead files came partly from Ex:cak
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Re: Undead Help Needed

Postby angelspawns » Sun May 20, 2012 1:05 pm

It all depends on your SP flow. There's this overall belief if you go lvl4, you should use it on more Lvl4 things. But the truth is it costs another 4SP to do that. For a rush file it's simply not worthit. You must build a field and 2 solid Lvl3's back to back are a much better investment. Lich Skill is also a better investment, BrokenPriest Skill is, etc.

Pushing it just to make more use out of it is gonna cripple your game. You'll end up with cards you struggle to field/play, and often become deadweight in your file.
Just like a Guardian file having only Guardian as Lvl4 it's not a waste. The rest of the time you don't have the SP to play more Lvl4's. (main reason to rush the Lvl4 out first)

Truth be told i like ExCAK. It'll play out much more like a normal Rush. But Langbert can work like a Guardian file: slightly slower pace at start, but every bit as deadly afterwards.
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