Refess Answers to Brave Soldier/Panther Soul?

[Phades]

Well basically you have a few issues going on at the same time. First, the initial "easy" answer to buy you a turn and slightly reverse the field control of the situation is Dragonrider / Wasseir. However, gowen does have a workaround for it, but even so you stated that you do not have it. Secondly, when referencing not stacking the frontline, you can also play "fake" front lines that you expect to go down and are covered with other range 1 units. Again, it comes down to having the right cards and playing them at the appropriate time.

Simply buying more cards won't neccasarially get you what you need either, so it is really hard for someone to say with confidence that you should in fact "buy more cards". It is easier to take note that you feel that you are missing pieces that you would prefer to play and are being hit with something that is considered rather potent.

Darn you grain for taking the link out...

[Grain]

Well basically you have a few issues going on at the same time. First, the initial "easy" answer to buy you a turn and slightly reverse the field control of the situation is Dragonrider / Wasseir. However, gowen does have a workaround for it, but even so you stated that you do not have it. Secondly, when referencing not stacking the frontline, you can also play "fake" front lines that you expect to go down and are covered with other range 1 units. Again, it comes down to having the right cards and playing them at the appropriate time.

Simply buying more cards won't neccasarially get you what you need either, so it is really hard for someone to say with confidence that you should in fact "buy more cards". It is easier to take note that you feel that you are missing pieces that you would prefer to play and are being hit with something that is considered rather potent.

Darn you grain for taking the link out...

It was just a link to the old thread.

That one was made pre-expansion anyways, we should just let it fade back to chaos.

[Jaroz]

I'll try to keep that in mind. Thanks for the advice

[Logress]

I usually like to put out a solid front line fighter (something that can survive one BS attack) and a throw away level one, like a wisp, both in the front row (wisp helps the first part be possible). Then If I have time before the Brave soul, do something in the second row, range attacker or Holy Weapon Priestess if possible. Now, our intrepid Gowen has two choices. Attack, and risk hitting the wisp, wasting an attack, or burn 2 SP to slash, essentially for no reason then to be sure of hitting the unit he wants. Either way, my front line survives, if barely, hitting Brave Soul for some damage. Then my second row bats clean up (or if that's not going to happen, an Energy Bolt to weaken him at the beginning of the turn in question). Next turn, the Soldier revives and probably another Panther Soul goes off. If Wisp was killed, he sets off a 20x level soul skill, killing the BS before he goes. Otherwise, the Gowen player still has two units to face off with, and has to make last rounds' choice again. Continue along this line, burning a Cure if necessary. I know it seems bad to burn cures and soul cards to beat out this simple, low level combo, but remember in the early game SP counts more than cards or LP, and we're costing him SP and minimizing the benefits he gets from it. When all is said and done, the fewer copies of your front line fighter and the less SP you've wasted the better.

[Grain]

I usually like to put out a solid front line fighter (something that can survive one BS attack) and a throw away level one, like a wisp, both in the front row (wisp helps the first part be possible). Then If I have time before the Brave soul, do something in the second row, range attacker or Holy Weapon Priestess if possible. Now, our intrepid Gowen has two choices. Attack, and risk hitting the wisp, wasting an attack, or burn 2 SP to slash, essentially for no reason then to be sure of hitting the unit he wants. Either way, my front line survives, if barely, hitting Brave Soul for some damage. Then my second row bats clean up (or if that's not going to happen, an Energy Bolt to weaken him at the beginning of the turn in question). Next turn, the Soldier revives and probably another Panther Soul goes off. If Wisp was killed, he sets off a 20x level soul skill, killing the BS before he goes. Otherwise, the Gowen player still has two units to face off with, and has to make last rounds' choice again. Continue along this line, burning a Cure if necessary. I know it seems bad to burn cures and soul cards to beat out this simple, low level combo, but remember in the early game SP counts more than cards or LP, and we're costing him SP and minimizing the benefits he gets from it. When all is said and done, the fewer copies of your front line fighter and the less SP you've wasted the better.

Because it'll be the only unit on the field most of the time, for several turns?

It's better than nothing.

[Logress]

It works surprisingly well most of the time. Of course, it depends on what else he has out before, but once he starts the cycle, brave soldier, then Panther Soul, then reviving, slashing and more panther souls will eat up his SP and his Set phases so hopefully not much more will get out.

[Romdeau]

It works surprisingly well most of the time. Of course, it depends on what else he has out before, but once he starts the cycle, brave soldier, then Panther Soul, then reviving, slashing and more panther souls will eat up his SP and his Set phases so hopefully not much more will get out.

I agree, this is the weakness with the Brave/Panther combo. People claim it is overpowered, but the Gowen Iczer is giving up a lot in exchange for 1 semi-powerful unit. Set phases dedicated to Panther souls, reviving when he dies, and his ability can't be utilized if he's rezing/re-panthering.

[Porky]

Non-big Refess isn't a top tier competitive file i think, more experimenting will be needed on my part, but so far there is very little chance you can beat any big creature deck that plays dragon emps etc. If you tune your deck towards that goal then normal decks will give you a lot more trouble. I feel the pain of refess players After a few days I'm tempted to go back and play a more competitive deck such as lawtia. A huge set back is the lack of viable level 1s, refess level 1s suck. Splashing falkow or gowen might be the way to go.

Against your specific problem? I pack weisser as SS and erm yeah go from there, if you don't have it you could even pack assassin soul skills as they are useful in almost every situation.

[evaunit01]

yup...buy cards

[surignum]

i wouldnt even wait untill my ss activated, i would throw out a magic bolt or judgement hammer...but if we are talking pre-expansion.....hmmmm...id have to think about it........luckily ive got lawtia, and i can just pure terror the damn thing XD