Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:16 am

So i was reading some criminality and justice stuff and this part struck me.

"Of all the metrics of black violent crime against whites the sexual homicide of elderly white women offers the most compelling evidence of race hatred toward the victim. For starters, the motives of the perp in any sexual homicide of an elderly woman is pure hatred. His victim is largely symbolic. His motive is not lust but extreme hatred.
(Special Agent Mark E. Safarik, a profiler in the Behavioral Analysis Unit at the FBI Academy, published in the May issue of the Journal of Interpersonal Violence)

The study involved a review of 110 offenders who perpetrated the destroy and murder of 128 women 60 years and older. The mean age of the victims was 77 and 97% were black on White.
“Based on other reports, Safarik says that there has never been a case of sexual homicide involving a white offender and an elderly black victim in modern times. Yet the sexual homicide of elderly white women by black men is epidemic in comparison.”

We can graduate from second hand electronic markets to real tangible data. I don't pretend to be an fbi forensic psychologist but perhaps Icy can lend us some insight into this rather one sided behavior phenomena of a segment of our society.

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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:35 am

http://arrestjustice.files.wordpress.co ... report.pdf

This is data from Chicago year 2010. Best page is 35 exhibit 12b. Crime in Chicago is way up this year in comparison to 2010. I live a shade north of Detroit which makes Chicago look like Disneyland (Chicago is actually currently running 8th on the most dangerous american cities in which to reside) in comparison.

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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby GonFreeces31 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:11 am

Well yes, there are some black people who hate white people. Most black people don't hate white people. Have you heard of the KKK? They do some nasty stuff too.
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby gadu » Fri Sep 07, 2012 2:29 am

AD, what are you suggesting? You have shown a statisitic that 106.7 out of 110 people that murdered elderly white woman were black. It sounds like you wonder why it appears more black people than white people are killing old white woman?

Some possible explanations might include the long history of police disproportionately arresting and prosecuting black people over white people for crimes, whether the data collected is a representative sample of the population as a whole, or the population density of black people in the area the data was collected.

I don't see how you can draw the conclusion I think you're drawing, but have not written.
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby methebest » Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:46 am

what if they are atracted to old white women?
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:29 am

Not implying anything. I spend a lot of time reading criminology type sociology articles. I really like the stuff put out by M. Gladwell and some economic studies by Lewittand Dubner (Freakonomics and superfreakonomics).

Invariably the statistics don't lie. I had never seen the data from the first post before but it is seriously heinous. Aside from the analysis put forward by the FBI specialist I was hoping our local forum expert might have an opinion. Clearly, policing strategies cannot have an impact on this particular type of crime. Makes me curious as to why such 1 sided hatred exists in the modern day republic if we can still call ourselves that.
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:48 am

If you look at the tables listed ( i wish we had one of these for the city of Detroit-i'll have to look harder), asians make up 5.4% of the population but only committed 1/257 murders/negligent homicides. That is less than 0.5%. All the groups live in the same country yet there is a huge disparity in crime rates.

This is an international forum which is nice since it allows insight from those that reside outside the US. If we as a nation exhibit a "national culture" if you will then is it possible that within the nation we a are subset of many mini cultures? Perhaps a stress on education, family values, and shame leads to such low crime amongst asians within the larger society.
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 1:26 pm

Nice blog I follow from Chicago.

http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby GonFreeces31 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:51 pm

It suggests that some black people kill more elderly white people, than white people kill elderly black people. Some misinterpret this and use it to justify racism.
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Re: Stats and facts warning- not for the squeamish

Postby AngelicDeath » Fri Sep 07, 2012 8:20 pm

Glad to see that someone attempting to earn PHD actually didn't even read it thoroughly. The more important aspect than the homicides were that the victims with a mean age of 77 were raped prior to being murdered. You should get your facts straight before you play the race card. It would be considered prejudicial and not racism which implies one race is superior to others. Hard to misinterpret statistics when 32% of a given population commits A largely disproportionate amount of its crime. If i recall your specialty lies not in sociology rather in psychology but you can correct me if I am in error. The key lies not in judging individuals when interpreting this data but rather in groups of individuals.

I almost wrote back earlier regarding your unsubstantiated comment regarding that the majority of blacks like white peopleor at theleast don't hate them. It doesn't matter either way it could never be proven one way or another. It is not like Gallup is going to do a poll on it and as if you could get honest answers anyways. It has been my experience that the opposite is true. I don't necessarily like Mitt Romney but he is polling at under 2% in the polls with Black Americans. Makes me wonder if they like the message Obama presents or his skin color?

The most dangerous type of "community" one can be in would be the "deadwood setting". This has all the necessary ingrediants for violence. Lots of armed men in their youth (think 20's and 30's), a sparse number families (men with wives and children are much less likely to commit violent crime -then and now),alcohol, and probably to a lesser extent gambling. I have never seen a model with gambling in there but it might have a small positive correlation. The urban areas of Detroit, Philly, gary In, Baltimore, Chicago, atlanta and many more don't necessarily meet these criteria. Furthermore, white and asian on black crime is near non existant especially when compared to the opposite.

You go onback to your ivory tower and believe in the falsities they teach you in academia and i'll continue living onthe front lines here in the Mogadishu of the West.

BTW, During the latest hurricane in New Orleans 1000 national guardsman were deployed. Do you think they were there to place sandbags or ensure there wouldn't be a repeat of the last disaster that occured in the aftermath of hurricane Catrina?
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