Hey, Nerf Gregory.

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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby tropireno » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:28 am

I don't exactly get the logic behind the "he's slow so he's bad" argument. What exactly does his agi have to do with anything? He's used for his startskill, no?
I mean, I guess it matters if you're up against Belus, but otherwise, you still have to wait a turn to use his startskill no matter how much agi he has.

Oh, wait, you wanna give him 5 agi so he can give something a +30 permanent AT buff before anything else moves. OK, makes sense.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby Peralisc9001 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:57 am

No. He is simply fine as he is. Doesn't need nerf and neither a buff.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby Romdeau » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:19 pm

Don't be hatin on my noob slash.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby quickdragon » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:39 pm

Verlaat got his balls removed, now it's time for Gregory's. Let the neutering begin. :twisted:
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby Muklas » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:43 pm

I killed Greg with buncols easy-peasy, and no Verlaat didn't get his balls removed he still kicks **** and get's wenches on regular basis.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby Peralisc9001 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:59 pm

What verlaat got nerfed was a buff that helped makin mid level solarians too good!
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby Muklas » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:24 pm

He still one-shots or cripples anything he hits for one sp.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby AqvasFire2 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:40 pm

Agility on start matters a hell of a lot. Why?

ENORMOUS FROG. Oh hey look, infinite engage!

Refess counters:
Obsidian buncle front row
Aliria front row
Etoile front row
Fortune open with lawt 2+
Phoenix chick

Lawtia counters:
undeads, lycans regenerate.
Gaiessoul him.
Lelein him.

Gowen counters:
Lock your opponent out by playing your own
Dilate front row survives.
Pixy locks.
Sakura.

Falkow counters:
Enormous frog
Storm wiz
Volfied
Teleport/flanking attack
Wrath

Any file counter:
chump block with sac bait in front row
engage SSs
powerful, targeted single-target SSs.

If you have none of these and play stupidly, well, wtf do you want besides a "you freaking suck"?

So, Callonia:

Go walk off a cliff, please.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby GonFreeces31 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:47 pm

Just because counters to something exist does not mean that a card is not overpowered. You tried to make that claim about the original Bringer and Ruuca and it made no sense.
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Re: Hey, Nerf Gregory.

Postby AqvasFire2 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:57 pm

GonFreeces31 wrote:Just because counters to something exist does not mean that a card is not overpowered. You tried to make that claim about the original Bringer and Ruuca and it made no sense.


What you said is the epitome of bullsh!t.

To use Sirlin's favorite fighting game analogies,
"Just because jump exists doesn't mean having a projectile isn't OP!"

Yet that's EXACTLY what it means. Cards have counters. And if you don't feel like using those counters, that's not evidence of a card's overpoweredness. That's evidence of you being a bad player or a bad file designer.

Know why Alteil is in the doldrums? Precisely because the testing team is killing metas going by your trash philosophy of "just because counters exist doesn't mean it's not OP". Ruuca was defeatable. So was Dilate. So was Bringer (in fact Bringer never frightened me, not even before a single one of his nerfs).

And I'm not talking about ridiculously obscure counters, either. Splashing Gaiessoul is a strong strategy for either Refess or Gowen. And if there was a falk/lawt proxy, it would also be for Falkow. With Falkow, WK uses storm wiz/volfied, serpent uses frog, and I believe strike wyvern can also engage Greg out of his focus (forget if it's random or not). Gowen has sakura, which anything outside a Gowen rush should be running, and Gowen rush, as worthing demonstrated, has pixies to lock him out.

This whole "to the nerfmobile" every single time someone (especially a horrible player like Callonia, who prides himself on playing deliberately bad files) is precisely one of the reasons Alteil is in the crapper right now--because it's just not a game very conducive to establishing a metagame and having the best players win.
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