AqvasFire2 wrote:GonFreeces31 wrote:Just because counters to something exist does not mean that a card is not overpowered. You tried to make that claim about the original Bringer and Ruuca and it made no sense.
What you said is the epitome of bullsh!t.
To use Sirlin's favorite fighting game analogies,
"Just because jump exists doesn't mean having a projectile isn't OP!"
Yet that's EXACTLY what it means. Cards have counters. And if you don't feel like using those counters, that's not evidence of a card's overpoweredness. That's evidence of you being a bad player or a bad file designer.
Know why Alteil is in the doldrums? Precisely because the testing team is killing metas going by your trash philosophy of "just because counters exist doesn't mean it's not OP". Ruuca was defeatable. So was Dilate. So was Bringer (in fact Bringer never frightened me, not even before a single one of his nerfs).
And I'm not talking about ridiculously obscure counters, either. Splashing Gaiessoul is a strong strategy for either Refess or Gowen. And if there was a falk/lawt proxy, it would also be for Falkow. With Falkow, WK uses storm wiz/volfied, serpent uses frog, and I believe strike wyvern can also engage Greg out of his focus (forget if it's random or not). Gowen has sakura, which anything outside a Gowen rush should be running, and Gowen rush, as worthing demonstrated, has pixies to lock him out.
This whole "to the nerfmobile" every single time someone (especially a horrible player like Callonia, who prides himself on playing deliberately bad files) is precisely one of the reasons Alteil is in the crapper right now--because it's just not a game very conducive to establishing a metagame and having the best players win.
GonFreeces31 wrote:If you need to spend an absurd amount of resources to stop a level 4 unit from single handedly wrecking your entire file, then there is a problem.
Romdeau wrote:So Gon, is greg op in your opinion?
kirk22 wrote:GonFreeces31 wrote:If you need to spend an absurd amount of resources to stop a level 4 unit from single handedly wrecking your entire file, then there is a problem.
4 Sp-Wrath of the Sea Lord-he's returned
3 Sp- Frog-He's engaged
3 Sp- Storm Wizardess-He's engaged
5 Sp-Sakura-He's dead
3 Sp-Fire Arrow- He's dead(though you need gowen lvl at 7)
4 Sp- Gaissoul- He's sent to the cemetery
2 Sp- Sunbeam Cage- No range, his slash doesn't matter
Those are just the things that stop him I could think of without going through the card list. This also doesn't take SS into account. So, is one card and absurd amount?
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