So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

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So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby DeeGee » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:16 pm

Alright, so set 12 has all of one card coming out for Gowen that actually allows Gowen to do something new--the level 1 samurai, and already, people are talking about hosing it. Which brings to realization that while Falkow, Lawt, and especially Refess have gotten a whole new slew of goodies since set 7, Gowen's been using the same exact stuff since the days of Bringer and giant bug, with perhaps a slight detour for Dilate, who's somewhat irrelevant these days since Gowen's sort of junk anyway.

And IMO the reason is that over these last several sets, Refess had SKs and buncles become complete metas, Lawtia went bonkers with two new tribes (dogs and augments), a fantastic splash unit (Gaiessoul), while Gowen got...?

Not a whole lot of stuff, really. I mean if you just look at the new stuff, you might notice burning air, "OPOP" Dilate, and uh...um...maybe Mureria? And of course, all of the good things it used previously (Bringer, Jack, Rhino, RFA SS--a Gowen SS due to more easily using miracle fruit) just don't work like they used to and lost roles.

Focus is a junk mechanic if there ever was one--basically a guarantee to mediocre RP in that you'll destroy those who don't have an answer to it, and get wrecked by anyone who does. Merc nation still stinks, Gowen warriors aren't that great. Monsters never were top tier and got nerfed (rhino), and BKR Jack doesn't work like it used to.

And the reason IMO is that Gowen is still every bit as one-dimensional as it ever was. Gowen only has one way to play--to use a bunch of individual units that can't really work together, press the attack button, and win. Except Refess and Lawt have caught up (and actually surpassed) Gowen in this area. In terms of grims, Lawt's always had attack grims, but its SP denies are better than that. Falkows return-type grims are usually better. And Refess is no slouch in attack grims either, while having a whole slew of healing and buffing grims that outdo Gowen (1 SP magic weapon vs. 2 SP general's order that buffs attack by 20 for a whole field?).

And yes, Icyman has done well with martial artists, but that's more speaking to the strength of a shade open and the Gaiessoul hitting at just the right time to wreck field position.

And the funny part is that the one card that may make Gowen finally competitive in set 12--that level 1 engaged-unit-cem samurai, is being talked about being changed. So my question is how exactly does the balance/testing team want Gowen to stand out? Lawtia and Ref can hit every bit as hard and as fast. Lawt and Ref can use attack grims just as well. What's supposed to be unique about Gowen now?
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Re: So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby hexagram » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:32 pm

hello DG
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Re: So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby CainHyde » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:02 am

^
Also I am pretty sure most of old Gowen card still able to kick the **** of most deck right now, in hand of semi-decent or decent players.
Or if you are incompetent, just use Ork.
I am pretty sure Ork will grind lots of other sphere file to dust.
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Re: So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby AngelicDeath » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:11 am

DG,

You cannot be serious. listen to yourself. an open that cems a unit for 0 sp -on a conditional that they are engaged which is simple to accomplish. Mix this with gaissoul and you can turf a truckload of sp for a bare minimum given 1x animus. creeping hands anyone? deep sleep? too many uses and it has already been stated he is rank up now. no use debating.
the gowen cards are likely reworked and look different than the preview so just wait and see. gowen will be fine.

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Re: So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby Icyman2 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:11 am

Well, new dilate is pretty boss. He can solo 3 units endgame and completely sp lock falkow with 8 sp vs 12 sp on the field.
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Re: So apparently Gowen's become the new Refess.

Postby hexagram » Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:20 pm

sometimes I find it best not to post -Let the silence do the talking

I guess this post is counter productive then but who cares my point warrants it.

Maybe the post below better expresses it or even no post at all do not feed the fire
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