InigoMontoya wrote:Ok, first, let's deal with your erroneous statement "has been." That is clearly factually wrong. Are you aware of the highest RP ever generated in U.S. Alteil? Mavel's 2258. What file did Mavel ride to that level? EM. Have they nerfed EM? Maybe a little bit by trying to buff EN this set (i.e. Night Soul). What file was the second highest RP? Fierte EN pre-Dagon nerf. They have for sure nerfed that. As Skewer says, Fierte EN is still seeing effective action. You have no evidence that Primclone is as dominating as those files were in their time, so I recommend you drop that argument. .
I should have qualified the statement with no file has been as dominant since Primclone has been out. Since Primclone combo came out no other file archetype has been as effective against all other files as primclone. Maybe Fierte EN comes close but from the forums + knowing what the highest RP players used a lot at least some of the time, it is not accurate to say there is no evidence about primclone. Not complete evidence for sure since many players use different files to get their high RP. You, Inigo ran both Primclone and EN last set I believe. But there is definitely some supporting evidence, incomplete as it is.
Of course no one can know for sure since we do not have access to all evidence. No player can have access to the actual evidence to support their observations. It is erroneous on your behalf to simply bring up one isolated example (Mavel). That is not statistically valid argument or supporting evidence for your case either.
InigoMontoya wrote: A couple of weeks ago the dominant meta file was SK. I am open to understanding Worthing's particular implementation of Primclone, because a 60 game win streak stands out. I agree with you wholeheartedly that such a high streak has significance. Are there any other Primcloner's with 30+ game win streaks? Is it Worthing's brilliance with Primclone only? Maybe it's not Primclone that is the problem, but rather Shinclone or Allindclone? I don't know.
Not sure what you are meaning by dominant meta file a couple of weeks ago.Do you mean file by most of the highest RP players? Or just the popular build because of new cards that can win a bit.
Can SK beat Primclone in most cases? On paper I don't see how that would be possible since SK is mostly lvl2-3 units. I don't see SK played by any of the high RP players I ever play against or watch, perhaps you could recommend a match to watch?
And yes PrimEX certainly seems to be the difference maker even more than Shin and Allind who just seal the deal. It is the ability to render level 4 units vulnerable to cyclone and level 5 to simple Return that makes Primclone so potent against so many files.
Another factor is many that could run Primclone simply don't since it is old archetype and some would rather run something new (SK) that might not win as often.
But you of course could experiment yourself Inigo. Try running your file without EX Prim and see if it performs just as good.
I just tried something similar though I dont have all cards for proper primclone/allind. Admittedly this would not be valid statistical evidence either but 1 game the second I played EX-Prim immediately opponent quits and by comments made, clearly viewed Ex-Prim cyclone as unbeatable with his file. Other game trying to run Shin+Cyclone and opponent is not afraid and goes on to win.
So maybe try to experiment and bring back the results. You have ability to test different files and get better perspective on what is or is not the more overpowering combos. Try it.
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