Marduck vs Urgrant

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Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby gadu » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:48 pm

Why is Urgrant able to one-shot most units while Marduck can't? Let them both one-shot units or let both of them deal damage based only on sphere level.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby GonFreeces31 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm pretty sure Marduck is actually stronger than Urgrant. RP data for the last set (set 10) actually supported that assertion. Urgrant is really only strong verse a small percentage of files (level 3 rushes). Marduck is overall more consistent. Perceptions of her power are suffering due to people using her sub-optimally.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby AquasFire3 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:19 pm

I honestly never liked marduk way to many rush files beat her.
Its way better to go straight big refess then using her.So i say urgant way better
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby Peralisc9001 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:36 pm

They're different units ... they do different things.

Different RNG, different skill effects.


I like them both tho.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby Icyglare » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:22 pm

Peralisc9001 wrote:They're different units ... they do different things.

Different RNG, different skill effects.


I like them both tho.


Yea, Peralisc is right. I thought Urgant was superior but I realized that Marduk is much easier to setup, you can easily have 7 sphere in Refess before she even comes out.

Urgant usually beats lv3 files
Marduk can cause endless SP into big Refess.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby Callonia » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:23 pm

Urgrant sp drain

Mardock sp gen

That's the difference.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby skillll7 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:36 pm

Callonia wrote:Urgrant sp drain

Mardock sp gen

That's the difference.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby Khiruki » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:46 pm

Some notes on Urgrant v. Marduk for field deployment and combat

Urgrant:
-Can use Defective->Exiled Aide+Lucia-> Magic Doll Support for a quick +3SP and lvl5 Lawtia for T3 when Urgrant hits the field
-Urgrant disrupts opponent set-up with SP drains and is more likely to kill units
-Access to Bitter Destiny and Lawtia removal grimoires
-Access to Chaos Form Annarose- spam of high level unit

Marduk:
-Has proxy, Oseon
-Marduk generates SP, allowing for user to drop more units- spam of high level units possible
-Access to Refess units- tanks/support
-More SP for grimoire use

I would say that the introduction of Chaos Form Annarose gave Urgrant files a rather nasty boost. Marduk files before had an advantage in building a field of Bigs, but Annarose is a spammable big unit with high attack and AGI, as well as a nasty engage on open skill that prevents you from rolling over the Annas on the field. Also, Defective->Lucia allows for an Urgrant player to mill through two souls quickly, giving the Urgrant player a faster set up. With the faster set up, Urgrant can start draining SP earlier, disrupting opponent set up while having enough SP to continue dropping cards after Urgrant.

I don't own three copies of Marduk, or Retear/other nice big-mid refess cards, so I honestly am only going by what I see from opponents.

Any good examples of Marduk files/players to look at?
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby AquasFire3 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:23 pm

the only good marduk player i was ever impressed by was pluu but he doesnt play anymore.
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Re: Marduck vs Urgrant

Postby GonFreeces31 » Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:10 am

Hey I got a 38 game win streak with Marduck. Instead of Starmander I added owl sages and True Retears :shock:

It woulda helped to have a Rubens or two, as well. Also Rucca rocks with Mar.
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