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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby quickdragon » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:32 pm



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Check out the stats, that's 3 stats more than what mr. I know what balance is wants. +I've never seen anyone use it...

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I have only seen it used 1x and that was as a soul skill, the guy using it lost big time. Helped me more than him...

So what's your point? nerf all lvl 4s to the point that they can never be used?
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby Icyman2 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 4:45 pm

Beltort Kingdom beats mid refess.
Therefore beltort kingdom is more op than mid refess.
Therefore beltort kingdom needs to be nerfed.
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby Callonia » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Icyman2 wrote:Beltort Kingdom beats mid refess.
Therefore beltort kingdom is more op than mid refess.
Therefore beltort kingdom needs to be nerfed.


Quite a valid argument, lets start a nerf thread on beltort kingdom!
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby AqvasFire2 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:12 pm

Icy, quit trolling, please. Beltorat is far from good. Tried it. It's the same snowball mechanic as mid refess has except it's more offensive. Big deal.

And quickdragon, way to extrapolate my argument. Miff is the best SP generator in the game bar none. Those two abilities together are hideously good. Furthermore, SP advantage can often just outright win games, since all else being equal, you simply get more SP on the field than your opponent and can plow him under. There's a reason that up until this point, all straight SP generators were weaklings that died if you so much as sneezed on them, aside from Advent (who I think would get far more use if more people had copies of him).

To ask for Miff to adhere to the same rules as all other SP generators (some of which have already gotten nerfed--ahem owl sage) in terms of vitality (let alone the auto skill/no floating SP requirement nonsense) is more than fair, especially when you throw that obnoxious start skill on her (which as Peralisc pointed out, could go on one of a zillion different unused Refess units).
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby GonFreeces31 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:25 pm

AqvasFire2 wrote:To ask for Miff to adhere to the same rules as all other SP generators (some of which have already gotten nerfed--ahem owl sage) in terms of vitality (let alone the auto skill/no floating SP requirement nonsense) is more than fair, especially when you throw that obnoxious start skill on her (which as Peralisc pointed out, could go on one of a zillion different unused Refess units).


This is actually a good point.
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby Icyglare » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:29 pm

Well, if we make her weak, (low hp, sp requirement, no auto) why would I use a LV4 SP gen MIFF in the first place?
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby GOSCAR » Wed Dec 05, 2012 5:42 pm

Owl Sage got nerfed?
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby AqvasFire2 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:29 pm

GOSCAR wrote:Owl Sage got nerfed?


He had 2 rng at one point. Was sort of relevant for pegasus WK that used mage knight and pegasus. 3 agility owl sage smacking something for 30? I've had him whack for 50 before.
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby GOSCAR » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:38 pm

Awwww now he just back to being the number one lv 1 sp gen. I am guessing that what he was meant to do.

Could be wrong.
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Re: Leave Miffy Aloooonnneee!

Postby Anima13 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:59 pm

to be fair it has to be said: all sp gens in refess are tanky (just most ppl didnt used them..). The question is where is the border of functionality such a unit can have?
the second thing is: with set 11 basically a new deck has been (re?)born. So we need take a look on it not just on the unit but also on the deck and its possibilities:

does mid refess has bad matchups? (or do just ppl run it unoptimized/ noobish)?
Do competetive mid refess decks perform overproportional strong against the majority of decks out there?

What role does myffre play in mid refess?
How does myffre perform in other kinds of refess decks or even ourside the sphere (multisphere decks)?
Is rushing out myffre really the best solution? What happens if i try to set up myffre protected?
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