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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby Peralisc9001 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:56 am

I don't care if all the prebuilts will cost more, but if i want all cards or to actually play the game then i want a normal game price or i just go and buy a normally priced game or normally priced stuff.

Sigh, but as it is right now, alteil needs rich people to sustain itself.
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby DeeGee » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:02 pm

AngelicDeath wrote:Obviously we are talking about economic success of the company. LoL, i never said it was a good buy -35% over recycle rate. That is what it would need to be to compete with their lottery since it has a recycle rate of somewhere between 55-60% on a normal day. They have always upcosted cards when you are getting known cards. Each ex card is 220 gran and recycle for 30 gran-yet they continue onward with that model.

For them to implement prebuilds or anything new it would probably have to be equal in comparitive cost to other buying options.

You know my thoughts on cost and availability - they mimick your but as Rom stated the company won't budge so we are left in that vicious circle. I am eagerly awaiting the Nov. and Dec. financial reports.

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Then the solution is not to spend money on the old model. I'm at least glad people like Fargone and GonFreeces are saying "enough is enough". If this game is going to take a crap over its future player base, then what the heck are we even talking about? If this game is F2P, then free players should be able to do a good job and hold their own, not just get bowled over when the next expensive set comes out, and their cards are errata'd.
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby AngelicDeath » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:24 pm

I am in wholehearted agreement with you. I don't think any of the heavy spenders are really happy with the pricing model but there they go spending away and so management sees no reasonto change their plan or pricing. I stood on the fence and will remain there until next hyper lotto. That is my personal price point.

At 10 gran a day you can get 7 commons a week. Assuming 1 set every 3 months and using 1-2 stars as basis for commons we had 37 in set 12. even if you received 1 of each every day in 3 months time say 91 days you would still be behind 10 commons.
DG- assume that this was the case. Wider availability of commons so say for this week we had monday play a match then you could instead trade your daily lotto for veteran shrine kn. tuesday it would be gran duke's private guard. Wed the gowen first 2 star etc etc on down the list in repetitive fashion. Would that have a drastic increase in new users? It certainly would help the f2 p model.

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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby GonFreeces31 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:29 pm

I think if the prebuilts were more like 4,000 gran instead of 500 gran there wouldn't be a problem.
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby Peralisc9001 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:31 pm

I don't get the thread opened by gon, not saying it's gon's fault specifically nor am i blaming him specifically for posting that thread, but in that thread people post they've spend 50 to 100++ on set 12 and then complain they got bad results.

Well hello? Wasn't that obvious? And you are encouraging them! So if you don't want them to change the model to something more reasonable, then keep going, keep encouraging it by spending. See if it works they won't fix it. Probably nobody would.


DG, what would you do if people keep spending on these huge prices? :?
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby DeeGee » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:43 pm

AngelicDeath wrote:I am in wholehearted agreement with you. I don't think any of the heavy spenders are really happy with the pricing model but there they go spending away and so management sees no reasonto change their plan or pricing. I stood on the fence and will remain there until next hyper lotto. That is my personal price point.

At 10 gran a day you can get 7 commons a week. Assuming 1 set every 3 months and using 1-2 stars as basis for commons we had 37 in set 12. even if you received 1 of each every day in 3 months time say 91 days you would still be behind 10 commons.
DG- assume that this was the case. Wider availability of commons so say for this week we had monday play a match then you could instead trade your daily lotto for veteran shrine kn. tuesday it would be gran duke's private guard. Wed the gowen first 2 star etc etc on down the list in repetitive fashion. Would that have a drastic increase in new users? It certainly would help the f2 p model.

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It's more like 5 gran a day from free lotto+recycle, unless you want to tear your hair out with MM. Not to mention I don't see why we can't have a free daily lotto+MM. In fact, why can't we have a free lotto after every game? Think about it--you spend 10 minutes playing a game--your free lotto's recycle value comes out to what--10 cents? Once again, if Alteil management can't afford to even let its free players "work" for a dollar an hour (if that), then what are we talking about here?

The numbers are simply astoundingly bad in how greedy the management is. If someone wants to shell out to spend a hundred dollars, a free player buying prebuilts and doing MM/free lotto isn't going to catch up anywhere near as soon. And basically, from what I see, management is cutting off their nose to spite their face. The question is: "what's the value of a larger player base"?
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby LoneKnight » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:50 pm

With 90%-100% recycle cost, targeted spending would get really, really stupid, as you could just switch your whole collection out with trivial costs.

If a pre-built recycled for 90% for example, buying the first one would cost X, but switching to another one would only have a cost of 0,1X (and the time spent recycling). Basically, once you reach threshold of X, you have access to all prebuilts at the same time. This may sound awesome for the player, but it does not generate any revenue at all.

Same with lottery, if the recycle rate is 100%, all it takes is time (and possibly enough G that randomness is eliminated) to get whatever you want as you can just keep recycling the cards without ever spending another penny on Alteil.

So, suggesting that stuff recycles for full price (or even near full price) is selfish and shortsighted as ****, is what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby DeeGee » Mon Dec 24, 2012 12:57 pm

Look, 100% recycle rate would let you switch out your collection, so that's a no go. But 90%? If a casino had a 10 cent edge on every dollar people spent gambling, that'd be insane. In the financial markets, if you could make 10% on every dollar trading, that'd also be obscenely good. But when recycle rates are so crappy, such that the general rule is that everything has to be at 30-35% recycle value, then free players are simply left in the dust.

Keep in mind that when you have a free-to-pay business model, the majority of your users will be free users.

With that stated, what is the purpose of free players in this game? Do they exist just to play some second-rate quirky file from time to time, and otherwise serve as cannon fodder for those with the fully-optimized chock-full-o-rares files?
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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby AngelicDeath » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:08 pm

"Same with lottery, if the recycle rate is 100%, all it takes is time (and possibly enough G that randomness is eliminated) to get whatever you want as you can just keep recycling the cards without ever spending another penny on Alteil."

This is exactly what I did in hyper lotto. Alteil did make 90 usd off me though as I kept all the cards i got under 3 and recycled all those above 3. The main problem was it was so cumbersome to recycle. It was literally wearing out my finger and mouse.

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Re: Crest Prebuilt suggestion

Postby Peralisc9001 » Mon Dec 24, 2012 3:32 pm

Anyone else fails to imagine AD going rambo on his mouse? :?
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