Icyglare wrote:If another person writes that arguments like yours suck, they are just restating an agreement of my pre-existing sentiment right?
That's correct. At the same time, they're also proving just how rude and insecure they are for unabashedly insulting others without given reason as you have repeatedly done. This does not improve your argument, it just shines a rather unbecoming light on you.
Icyglare wrote:Do you know what Shade used to do? -2sp, therefore if a weaker version exists its okay right?
Not sure why people keep bringing this up. To continually repeat it will eventually prove ignorance. It may be a weaker version, but that's like saying Chaos Sorcerer is a pale shadow of Chaos Soldier. That didn't stop him from being banned as well. Even if a card is an embarrassingly pathetic copy of another uber broken card in comparison, it can still be a savagely overpowered card in its own right. This goes to further prove the overwhelming strength of the original. Guess I have to repeat myself again..., rather than Shade being a 1-mana creature that says "Destroy 2 lands", it's now a 1-mana creature that says "Destroy 1 land". You love using Counterspell as an example and it's the same cost as Sinkhole. What if Shade were a 1-mana creature with flash that said "Counter a spell"? This point still stands. Matter-of-factly, most would say Counterspell itself is a weaker version of Force of Will and people often do believe this should be banned.
Icyglare wrote:Why does it have to be lv3? Because I was just going to list everything above and below LV3.
You said lvl 3 Return, that's why it has to be 3, because that's what you yourself specified. Go ahead and name everything off, but only the ones immune to Dio+Assassin+Waterspout+Jerry will do. Everything that is not immune to all of these falls victim to this mechanic.