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by **GonFreeces31** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:57 am

Guardian power creeping too many units for years now. I think a healthy way to change things up would be to nerf guardian and meanwhile buff every other level 4 refess unit in the sphere.

I'm sick of noobs spamming counterskill spam nonsense and getting easy wins. Time to switch things up!

What do you guys think?

by **gadu** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:15 am

I fully support nerfing Guardian, buffing other Refess cards like Orthos, and undoing the secret nerf on Lost One. :ugeek:

by **Muklas** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:08 am

And I support you shutting the **** up.

by **sunbunman** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:17 am

by **GonFreeces31** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:19 pm

Muklas wrote:And I support you shutting the **** up.

You must be one of the guardian abusers.

by **gadu** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 pm

Guardian's reign of terror should be nerfed out of existance and replaced in the starter, but I don't believe in the dream, especially with the recent release of Holy Chain abuse.

These guys are the ones that need to get the buffs.

https://alteil-login.apocoplay.com/card ... php?id=412

https://alteil-login.apocoplay.com/card ... php?id=756

https://alteil-login.apocoplay.com/card ... php?id=841

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by **GonFreeces31** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:53 pm

Very good point Gadu. It would be really nice if Zagar was buffed to the point that he was a must add in almost every refess file the way guardian is.

Seriously, what do you guys think? Does it not bore you to see guardian over and over in like every refess file for years now?

by **angelspawns** » Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:04 pm

It does bore the crap out of me and i'm all for diversity. She still creeps other lvl4 choices in alot of files i want to make, often being the only choice for it to become viable. Unfortunatly it's hard to render it completely off the scale at this stage.
I suggest -10Atk and +10MHP, or make its counter do Atk+10. (we got Folrart Heavy Guardian for Def)

Gadu's list looks about right to recieve a buff... just watch out for not overdoing it. I'm not worried about Zagar or Orthos, but Beserker has high potential to go overboard.

by **idol** » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:49 am

sunbunman wrote:

+1

by **Callonia** » Sun Feb 03, 2013 4:04 pm

Is bad thread, only lvl 4 that needs attention is that refess doggie orthos.
And the errata is easy less than 1 second worth of work.

From: Two random enemy units of level 2 or below get AT-30 for this turn.

To: Two random enemy units of level 4 or below get AT-30 for this turn.

Now Orthos doesn't suck anymore.

Then maybe, increase lion baron / zagar and ernst's max hp by 10.

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