Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby hexagram » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:26 pm

just accept carbuncles is a meta file. maybe not top tier but definately up their.
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby gadu » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:52 pm

I can accept that hex. What's harder to accept is why I can't kill more than two or three L3 carbuncles the entire match.
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby Romdeau » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:59 pm

Because I couldn't convince Logress to nerf them more harshly.

The numbers generally do not support a power nerf, apparently.
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby GonFreeces31 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 11:08 pm

In the past, whenever I talked about "the numbers" people thought I was blatantly lying. I'm curious if you're able to talk about "the numbers" and not get trolled.
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby Anima13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:56 am

Romdeau wrote:Because I couldn't convince Logress to nerf them more harshly.

The numbers generally do not support a power nerf, apparently.


OK then I will challange the data with following claim:
80 % of the carbuncle files I meet are designed suboptimal. They are designed like a gowen/lawtia file which does not support the strong debuffing field abilities, creating a pseudo weakness for returns old buncles barely ever had and weakens violets and generals chances to act efficient. The mere fact that they still get a lot wins is already saddening, but If they are in the hands of someone competent knowing how to play they can be deavasting.

Your data doesnt show the true strengh of buncles because its covered by the mediocre deckdesign of the people using it. This does not mean they are not over the top.
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby Shirozaki » Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:11 am

Anima13 wrote:
Romdeau wrote:Because I couldn't convince Logress to nerf them more harshly.

The numbers generally do not support a power nerf, apparently.


OK then I will challange the data with following claim:
80 % of the carbuncle files I meet are designed suboptimal. They are designed like a gowen/lawtia file which does not support the strong debuffing field abilities, creating a pseudo weakness for returns old buncles barely ever had and weakens violets and generals chances to act efficient. The mere fact that they still get a lot wins is already saddening, but If they are in the hands of someone competent knowing how to play they can be deavasting.

Your data doesnt show the true strengh of buncles because its covered by the mediocre deckdesign of the people using it. This does not mean they are not over the top.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby Anima13 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 am

Shirozaki wrote:
Anima13 wrote:
Romdeau wrote:Because I couldn't convince Logress to nerf them more harshly.

The numbers generally do not support a power nerf, apparently.


OK then I will challange the data with following claim:
80 % of the carbuncle files I meet are designed suboptimal. They are designed like a gowen/lawtia file which does not support the strong debuffing field abilities, creating a pseudo weakness for returns old buncles barely ever had and weakens violets and generals chances to act efficient. The mere fact that they still get a lot wins is already saddening, but If they are in the hands of someone competent knowing how to play they can be deavasting.

Your data doesnt show the true strengh of buncles because its covered by the mediocre deckdesign of the people using it. This does not mean they are not over the top.

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?


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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby GOSCAR » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:46 am

My say on Carbs is this. Amethyst Eater is better than pre-nerf Vorsot.

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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby gadu » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:40 am

GonFreeces31 wrote:In the past, whenever I talked about "the numbers" people thought I was blatantly lying. I'm curious if you're able to talk about "the numbers" and not get trolled.


The main reason that people who talk about "numbers" should get trolled is because those numbers are never made public. If the numbers are not shared, you might as well say, "this is not OP/UP because God says so."

I don't even know if those numbers refer to card usage, file win rate, or whatever. You can find some numbers In the Circle threads though. Icyman and Sunbun posted 20-30+ win streaks using UNDERDOG Carbuncles and this was BEFORE Set 11 and Violet. Now they are much stronker. Are those numbers relevant or not?

AS often remarked about 150 win streak Emana Mystere file. Is that what it takes to warrant a nerf?
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Re: Request: Balance Team Defends Errata

Postby gadu » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:01 pm

Can someone explain what was the purpose of nerfing 5* Emana so it couldn't interact with 4* Emana and then releasing a card that interacts with 4* Emana in exactly the same fashion that the 5* Emana nerf was designed to prevent?

I ask because I almost got trolled again by Phoenix Chick. Emana couldn't use her skill on a AGI debuffed Chick and I was forced to drop my own units AGI which almost completely screwed me over.
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